This is actually something I wanted to call in to Prime Time Sports about except that during the 4 o'clock hour for both Thursday and Friday, I was busy :( So I'm going to write it here. :)
It's about the Brendan and Brian Burke story. :) I first heard about it on PTS when Bob interviewed John Buccigross about his story on ESPN.com, and after that I read it the next day in the Toronto Star, and then went online and found that EVERYBODY was talking about it. :o And I honestly, found it a very heart warming and wonderful story. Seriously, it made me smile a lot while reading it and just gave me so much respect for Brian Burke as a parent and Brendan for his courage in wanting to blaze that trail in sports culture and esp hockey culture. :)
But what also popped out at me, unfortunately, was all the negativity to the story, the comments in the papers and in the ESPN article and the callers to Prime Time Sports the next day. You know the ones, they're the people who shout "why is this news?" as if somehow this is taking away e-space from yet another story about how the Leafs suck, or "this isn't a story" (which actually means, this isn't a story YOU care about, queer ppl read news too) or "in this day and age why.." which shows a complete ignorance, willful or otherwise, of the fact that no pro athlete has "outed" themselves while still playing the sport, and that in hockey, at either the pro or university levels, (according to the Toronto Star) there are no "out" staff, much less players. And I feel I need to respond.
As a trans girl, I want to say, this is ABSOLUTELY news. Absolutely. I remember how hard it was to grow up playing sports in a culture that was incredibly misogynistic and homophobic, where I'd be afraid to even suggest that I found a guy cute, much less my gender identity, where "gay" and "fag" were casually tossed around, and where calling other players "girls" was an insult and a "motivational tool" by coaches. Cuz who wants to be a "girl" right? And I also remember how hard it was to come out to my family and friends when I finally came out to myself, after years of repression, depression, self hatred and denial. And how even though my mother didn't have the reputation nor public persona that Brian Burke did, of being a "macho" and "tough" person, I still could think of a million reasons why she might not have accepted me, and she did accept me, but I still remember how scary and difficult it was, and I can only imagine how much more difficult and scary it was for Brendan, especially with the culture he was working and living in. And to not only see his father be so accepting but also so POSITIVE, that he even, on his own accord, wants to go to Pride and MARCH in Pride. It's amazing, it's impressive, it's INSPIRING. It honestly is. I mean, I am so... blown away, by the idea that next year, I might be marching in the Parade with one of the most powerful and influential figures in sports. :] I would never have had in a million years imagined that, and I really do hope that this is the first step in a real sea change, and maybe it's one in many steps, but it's SOMETHING, and hopefully Brendan being out will be not just one but many of those steps. :)
See the thing is, for queer ppl and their families, and esp queer ppl involved in sports and sports culture, this IS a story, it's a HUGE story, and it's an inspiring story. And even outside of sports, it gives hope to every queer person who hasn't come out to their family yet. And it also is a positive message to the family, friends and allies of queer ppl. :) This is a story of hope. And that's NEVER "not a story" to me. Yes, in Canada, we have gay marriage, but that doesn't mean that we have acceptance in society, or in sports. And also it's not just as simple as "well people in the locker room won't mock me", in games like hockey, you worry about being run, and "taken out" and esp in hockey where ppl are "taken out" all the time and it's "part of the game", there's so many easy defenses too. That's a huge fear, and one I've heard expressed from other queer players in sports.
Like Brian, I hope for the day where this is not a story, where nobody needs to "carry an axe" to defend their "trailblazing" loved ones and where queer and trans players can be open in the dressing room and feel safe. Because, this isn't about "shoving" anything in anybody's faces. Everybody is assumed to be cis and straight. Every male athlete is assumed to want a girlfriend, and if they state they have a girlfriend, or if there's a story about how strong a support their wife is to them (think Presidents and politicians) nobody thinks "OMG YOU"RE SHOVING YOUR SEXUAL PREFERENCE IN MY FACE".. and if they talk about "when I was a boy" nobody says "omg you're shoving your cissexuality in my face!" because these things are accepted and "normal", you don't even notice or think of it as a display of anybody's gender identity or sexual identity, and that's the type of environment I hope and (I think) Burke hopes we'll get to. Where this really ISN'T a big deal, where it's so not a big deal that we won't get hysterical comments about "THIS ISN'T A BIG DEAL STOP TALKING ABOUT IT". xD
So yeah, I just want to respond, and also to commend Bob and Bruce Arthur and Jeff Blair and everybody else who have been involved in spreading this story about on their level of respect and understanding and how well they've handled it (and the responses) :) And just to say, from a person who IS queer and who IS a huge sports fan and who played (and still does play) sports, it IS a story. It's inspiring and it's positive, both to queer ppl and also to our family, friends and allies. We read the news too and this IS news, and it's GOOD news! I mean... for once.. in the news (and esp Toronto sports news xD) isn't that a nice change? :]
And finally, I think Burke should bring the Leafs with him when he marches next year. I mean, the way things are going, it's the only parade they'll be involved in in a long long time. xD Maybe the Jays could join them too >_>;;;




Jessica wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Concern troll is concerned. Matt, Snidely just likes to argue. We're not going to get him to see how big a fool he's made of himself because he is not capable of doing the self-analysis required. Let's face it, it's futile to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.Matt wrote on Dec 17, 2009
"Oh, and I just noticed how you assumed I was gay. I'm not. Funny how you think that to be sensitive to issues like this, you must be gay yourself." That's the context that you failed to include. Way to completely misrepresent what I said.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Matt you said "You must be gay yourself". That is about as clear as it gets isnt it? And it aint no lies dude. You wanted to be shown so look - you clearly said it. Chill dude - Im not the one who is insane.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 17, 2009
And my final to Ami - I speak for no-one but myself when in the positive. I assumed English was understood well enough here to know phrases like "I think that.." and "I imagine.." contain doubt. You seem to like to speak for all gay and *** folk tho dont you? At least you do in your blog. And then accuse me of those tactics fgs. So yah, the goalposts thing from you I also find amusing.I am one guy with one opinion based on MY life - no more, no less. I am not perfect, but I am far from a gay-basher or bigot (see Tony). I had friends over 25 years ago waiting for this revolution in sports to play out. I watched then. I dont watch anymore, same story with different forgetable faces and names. Sorry it isnt as huge for me Ami as it is for you. Funny how we both want the same thing and yet by such different views. Here's hoping you dont have to wait 25 or 30 for a top pro to finally come out kid. I cant believe it hasnt happened yet. It'll truly be "HUGE" when it does.Good Luck - peaceMatt wrote on Dec 17, 2009
"But you also called me gay didnt you? Hmmm You just cant seem to make up your mind can you Matt? And IM moving goalposts? Try a mirror." Okay, now you've just proven that you're insane. I'm okay with your having opinions. We disagree, and that's fine. But now you're making things up. Read my posts. Show me one time when I called you gay. >_> You have got to be kidding me. Again. First it didn't belong on your TV b/c it wasn't about sports. Then it wasn't a big deal at all. Then it wasn't a big enough story. Now, this sort of thing has been going on for 20-30 years, so it's not a big deal at all! There's your changing the topic. If all you can come up with is making up lies about what I've said, when people can read the old posts, you fail.HugoMonster wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Snidely: You sound just like the adults from Charlie Brown. Just a WAH WAH WAH sound with absolutely no defined meaningful message. Give it a break and go away…SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Matt I dont think you understood that the 20-30 year reference I made numerous times was that I didnt know if you knew that the same stories were around 20-30 years ago in sports. That is why I asked you numerous times what you would think IF in 20-30 years the status quo existed. That would put you at about where I am in experiencing this revolution, so you may think about if you might have the same opinion on how huge this really was, still on the same step 25 years later. New arrivals on the "step" may assume progress, even huge progress. To some of us us who have been on and seen this step for over 25 years, of which Im one, its almost boring. And the assuming you were gay Matt was due to the bigot and basher labels you tossed at me, and how upset you were. You seemed to take it personally. I apologize if youre upset about it,and if you're not gay. But you also called me gay didnt you? Hmmm You just cant seem to make up your mind can you Matt? And IM moving goalposts? Try a mirror.jessica wrote on Dec 17, 2009
"And you for some reason have attacked me stronger and harder than you attacked Tony which is puzzling" No puzzle about it Snidely, Tony left after one snark. You seem to like coming back for more punishment. And no, I will not teach you about your privilege. You are on the internet, the fount of all knowledge. It's not my reponsibility to teach you about your own privilege. You can do your own homework.Ami_Angelwings wrote on Dec 17, 2009
I love the goalpost moving >_>;; And you're still speaking for ppl... or assuming you know me... and since you keep strawing everybody and what they're saying, I dun see a point in moar engagement... I alrdy said that my LGBT friends and even non-LGBT friends who have been active in oppression fighting who are older (i.e. the 50+ and more).. and the various groups (which have *gasp* OLDER *** ppl too!) in the comm I'm involved in disagree completely with you, and are impressed with this story and that it IS a big deal... but I understand this is your opinion, just as to us, and our perspective (and I love your condescending assumptions about my life, and my knowledge of history), it's our opinion.. your opinion is not some "objective truth"... but it's yours and I respect it and that you believe it, and I know I won't be able to convince you of the semantics (which is another goalpost move, ppl can read your old comments), and I'm not going to change your opinion. We just disagree.Matt wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Actually, your main argument was that this story doesn't belong on your TV or sports' section, because it's not directly about sports. Then it was that it wasn't a big story. Then it wasn't a big ENOUGH story. Then it's "well, imagine this same story 20-30 years from now, and it won't be a big deal." It isn't 20-30 years from now. We are in the present, and it is a big deal now. Then us gays are so sensitive. I'm not gay, but you assumed I was. Quit ignoring that fact. You're assuming things about people based on their opinion. You don't need to be gay to be sensitive to the issues of a minority group. Then you decide you know what Ami thinks, or her friends, or people she might know. Then you decide you know everyone's sexual orientation, and perspective, and friends, and their perspectives. Quit moving the goalposts and assuming things.Jessica wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Snidely, you're a fool. You've proven it without doubt. Your work here is done. Feel free to leave and not come back.HugoMonster wrote on Dec 17, 2009
Snidley… GET HELP… you are a very sick person!SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 17, 2009
And then there is Jessica - who claims I "spout" about Phobias without explanation. And just what "priviledge" do I have? And how am I "shoving" anything at Ami? And where did I say my opinion outweighs anybodies let alone Ami? It is YOU putting words in my mouth. When you attack me and dont mention specifics, I do "assume" you are attacking my main argument which is still, and always has been in this article, that the only HUGE story is when a Pro comes out. Anything else is old, lame, boring and tired and been there\heard that and I dont want to see it anymore. Attacking people personally is bs. And you for some reason have attacked me stronger and harder than you attacked Tony which is puzzling. And sorry to bruise your vanity by not answering you first, but I wasnt "dodging"you, just trying to siphon beforehand through the personal attacks you seem to specialize in.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 17, 2009
And Ami my Ami - just where did I say I spoke for the gay community? I didnt - I speak from a societal aspect because Im not gay (sorry Jessica) and dont pretend to be. But dont tell me about over 20 years of reading\hearing about this - you're barely a dozen years into your sexuality for God's sake if you are indeed 27 yrs. Talk to your "older" friends (50+)and ask them if Im wrong, if they didnt hear\read about this same stuff over 20 years ago. Assuming you have friends in that age group of course. You have your opinion on this article based on YOUR proximity and age. I have mine base on MY proximity and age. And where I cant speak from your (gay) perspective, you certainly cant speak from 30 years of listening to this subject because you havent even been alive that long, let alone be sexual that long. Glad you got a kick from it all being new and HUGE to you. To me its old news and "been there, heard that" for too many years now and NOT huge societally til a sports pro outs.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 17, 2009
"None that are open about it, but odds say yes, there are definitely ***sexuals in the NHL. At least one has granted an interview, anonymously, found here http://outsports.com/entertainment/20050… where he mentions seeing other NHL players at gay clubs and bars. According to player surveys, NHL players are most likely to accept an openly gay teammate, with Sports Illustrated putting the rate at almost 80% http://www.outsports.com/news/20060302ga… and The Hockey News putting it at 67% (Vol 60, No 27, April 3, 2007)." Matt - HUGE is not SOMEONE coming out, its a regular or star NHL player coming out. And in 20-30 years if it hasnt happened yet, a sideways lateral "step" like this story of Ami's will appear again and some young idealist again will think it huge. Yah -huge alright to the person and family and friends involved, but ridiculously minor and sideways in the societal aspect of things. Ive seen it, heard it, and read about it for decades. Its small potatoes. Tiny in fact.Matt wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Again, you assumed I was gay, and then said "U gays are so sensitive." So don't make yourself out as an innocent dissenter who's getting flamed. You're speaking as if you understand "history" or "longer history." You're saying if in 30 years, the environment hasn't changed, and someone comes out, it'll be "HUGE." THAT'S THE POINT. The environment has to change. You keep dodging. You're hiding behind "perspective," but people who live this every day as their reality have more perspective than you, on what their rights should be, their safety, their lives, than you ever will. You're saying nothing has changed. 50 years ago, ***sexuality was in the DSM as a mental disorder. That didn't change overnight. People fought for it to come out. Our perception of gays was that they were all pedophiles and rapists. It took a lot of fight to get that perception changed. And every step was important.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Im listening Matt and agree with almost everything you say - but again perspective. In 30 years you are reading and hearing the scenario I mentioned, ie, and things in Pro hockey HAVENT really changed much, what do you think your reaction will be? I dont think you will see it as HUGE, or even a step that significantly leads anywhere cuz you have seen similar decades ago (as in now) that changed very little. And it doesnt mean you are belittling whoever will be bringing the story up or their enjoyment of the story. You will be offering a different perspective derived from a different and longer history. Its the anti-gay slurs and bashing that gets me. Disagree on one point of a story and out the bullets come. One calls me ***, another calls me anti-gay - ????? Thats society for you.....Matt wrote on Dec 16, 2009
You're not listening. We can't get to your "HUGE" story of ppl coming out without the proper steps. And the steps are big news. The steps towards civil rights and acceptance are always big news. In 30 years, hopefully, people will react as if someone's coming out isn't a big deal. But why? Because the environment will have changed, not magically, but through a series of milestones and a progression of vitories.Jessica wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Snidely, I notice that you dodged my comments in order to indulge in your fantasies of seeing the Leafs marching in their speedos during Pride. Methinks someone doth protest too much.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Matt When you say no pro is going to come out you are exactly defining my point. That IS the story that will be HUGE to society. After being exposed to wannabe's and over-the-hill's stories for decades about this very subject, I guess I have become jaded. Im sure that if in 30 years someone tells you how that the 3rd cousin of a former NHL ref came out and it is such a HUGE story, you will react differently than you do today. Im also hoping you dont have to cuz it will be a non-issue, but how do you think you will react in 30 years if hockey society hasnt changed on this issue? And I did not mock the parade, Leafs, etc past what Ami already suggested. Reading her post I envisioned how the Leafs coming down the street would look and an image of the Leafs lined up in speedos and their unis marching down the street being led by Kaberle spinning a 4 ft ***. If you have ever seen the parade+costumes you would get it. And it would be "HUGE" -not the "small steps" you are talking about.HugoMonster wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Well said Jessica. For those wishing to vote for this bigot, Snidely's real name is Ted Calhoun and is from Richmond Hill … so he says.Jessica wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Oh by the way Snidely, how dare you put your words in my mouth? I never said that this story is bigger than a pro coming out and you know it. You are the worst kind of contemptable coward, arguing by lying, distorting the truth and selective quoting. I suggest a change of career. Instead of being a pitiful gaybasher-wannabe, how about going into politics? That way you can get the hatred and derision you seem to crave from everyone, not just the few readers of this article.Jessica wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Snidely, do be quiet before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have. You have adaquately proven that you have nothing constructive to say about Ami's article. Here's a hint: Go away before you irrevocably prove that you have nothing at all to say and far too much hot air to say it with.Ami_Angelwings wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Snidely, don't speak for me, or for the *** community. As somebody who has no personal stake in the fight for *** rights, you don't get to sit there and decide what's important for us or not, or what's progress and what isn't. And believe it or not, *** ppl older than me ALSO think this is a story (I love how you just assume you know what they would think...), as do all the NON *** ppl I know who have experienced oppression: PoC, women, disabled ppl... change and progress happen in steps, and people who fight for it, whose lives are directly affected by societal oppression and marginalization understand that every step is a big one and don't play "progress olympics".. because it's not about "it could be better", it's about moving towards a better future and the people you pretended to speak for see any positive change as important, and the response I've gotten from my "peers" (as you put it) has been in unanimous agreement that this is a important and big. :)Matt wrote on Dec 16, 2009
"I think she knows my remarks were based on societal impact of the story, not how it affected her personally or wanting to change that effect." Don't speak for Ami. This is about you. Your changing the goalposts. First, it's bs that doesn't need to be reported. Then it doesn't belong on your tv because you pay for the channel. Then you face resistance, and it's suddenly "well, it's not a really big story." followed up by "well, it's not a big enuf story! It's not enough of a change!" I'm sure if we wait long enough, you'll probably start to agree with us.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Jessica Im sorry you dont think a pro coming out is a bigger story and would have a bigger impact than this story. I am positive that it would. I feel that having seen minor and retired players come out for decades and make so little a difference, in this country at least, that "HUGE" could only apply to a difference-maker, a story that would change things. This story will change very very little for the sporting world or the hockey world. However, if it does make such a diff in Ami's life then she is right to call it huge. But Im sure that if she talked more to her peers with a longer frame of reference, like 30 years or more, that they wouldnt think this a difference-maker at all. Im glad it made Ami happy and gave her hope and motivation. I think she knows my remarks were based on societal impact of the story, not how it affected her personally or wanting to change that effect. Some people cry at the same films while others laugh. Perspective and tolerance are brothers.HugoMonster wrote on Dec 16, 2009
SNIDELYWHIPLASH and his views is proving that bigotry and racism is alive and well in Canada.Matt wrote on Dec 16, 2009
"Then if I watched it would I be labelled pro-gay? Or even gay myself? Equally absurd." Well, actually, you assumed I was gay because I was defending Ami. Then you said: "U gays are way oversensitive." Is this the part where you aren't gay-bashing or stereotyping? Then you told Ami her article didn't belong on fadoo.ca "Amii, it belongs on the gay network as far as my tastes are concerned, as does your article." The people who run the website certainly don't feel that way. Then there's: "when he outs the gays on the roster and has THEM march in the parade, that will be progress (Tomas Kaberle for head majorette spinning a 4 ft ***)" Aside from mocking gay pride parades, you're also missing the point. No star athlete, or any athlete, is going to come out during their career while the environment is so dangerous. This is a story about changing the environment. Progress comes in steps. You can't dismiss the steps and just expect the final result to come out of nowhere.Jessica wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Snidely, the actions I am referring to are you coming in here and spouting off your ***phobia in response to this article. But you know that. You remove all doubt that you are a fool, shoving your straight privilege in a *** person's face to tell her that your opinion outweighs hers. Nice dodge on the quote source though, I note you nitpick on who said it because you are unable to dodge how true it is and how much it applies to you. Poor Snidely, your masculinity is so threatened by a *** woman writing about gay people in sports that you are driven to attempt to outshout her in comments to her article. It's okay dear, you can't catch Teh Gay by watching men in tight uniforms clutch at each other.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 16, 2009
Nice quote Jessica- what speech did Lincoln make with this quote in it? Uh you wont find it cuz he didnt say it. Speaking of fools... Nice stab, especially when you dont say just what actions I made that are such a bad example. Perhaps disagreeing with Ami about this being a "HUGE" story? Cmon It will be "HUGE" if OV, Sid, or Malkin say came out. Not some minor leaguer, not some relative of an NHL mgr, not the 3rd cousin of a former NHL ref. And so if turning it off makes me anti-gay, then if I watched it would I be labelled pro-gay? Or even gay myself? Equally absurd. And I would have watched it if any player of note (ie NHL) was involved, cuz that IS news and that WOULD make a difference - ie be HUGE. But attack me for disagreeing with her - its your right under free speech. It just would be nice if you afforded others the same right. I am sorry that my views about this being tiny (not huge) have offended so many peeps here, including Ami I imagine, but its how I feel.Jessica wrote on Dec 15, 2009
Snidely, some people were put on this earth solely to serve as a bad example to others. Your actions prove that you are one of them. "It is always better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." A. LincolnSnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 15, 2009
Ami pointed out that in her opinion this was such a big deal - I disagree. It will be a big deal when a pro outs himself in his prime, and even better if he is a star (OV, Sid, Malkin etc). The remark about Burke outing them was indeed insensitive, especially if taken as being done against the player's will, and it certainly wasnt clearly put - my bad. And I can see where some people would WANT to see that show on sports outlets. I dont happen to be one of them. And its not because Im anti-gay - its because I dont see how a relative of a NHL management person coming out is a big deal. Its like the other pro leagues, NFL, NBA, MLB - with at least 10% of the population being non-hetero, you dont have to be a Rhodes Scholar to do the math. There is LOTS of gays in all PRO sports who dont come out, especially in their prime. REAL progress wont be made until it happens. Not a relative or a minor-leaguer - a pro. Just because I feel this way shouldnt label me as anti-gay.HugoMonster wrote on Dec 15, 2009
Snidley. For your own good, please seek professional counselling. My goodness you certainly seem to need it as your cries for help get louder with each of your pathetic posts.Matt wrote on Dec 15, 2009
Progress comes through changes in thought, through changes in behavior, and legislation; not in outing whomever we want against their will because we're curious. Outing the gays on his roster would not indicate progress; it would be invading players' private lives and opening them up to ridicule. Saying "I'm not gay-bashing or anything" means you're probably being insensitive to begin with >_> I mean, think about what you're essentially saying: A story about a gay person involved in sports doesn't belong on your TV. Say it out loud. You can see why I think you're being insensitive. Do you speak out against any stories that air on sports networks that don't involve only highlights? Have you cried in protest every time your sports networks air anything other than slam dunks, goals, and touchdowns? If not, you can't say this has nothing to do with the fact that it's about a ***sexual.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 15, 2009
What YOU dont seem to get is that when I pay for having a sports station on my TV I certainly have the right to NOT be happy when a "marginal-at-best" sports story appears. And I dont give a rats @ss if its a gay outing, Kama Sutra positions, sex toys, etc.. ie, the sexual preferences of the people involved IS NOT THE ISSUE. What channel I feel that this should be airing on IS the issue. And thats the "comparison" you are talking about? I dont want ANY of it if you read my bit again. I want sports - not wanting a gay outing shouldnt label me as anti-gay any more than not wanting to see sex toys, positions, or child porn should label me as anti-sex. Im not comparing them against each other at all. And I can disagree with Ami that this is NOT any real progress in gay rights. You may disagree with me, but calling me a gay-basher for it was uncalled for. I believe no REAL progress will be made until a pro outs himself, hopefully a star, and hopefully in his prime. THAT would be progress.Matt wrote on Dec 15, 2009
Oh, and I just noticed how you assumed I was gay. I'm not. Funny how you think that to be sensitive to issues like this, you must be gay yourself.Matt wrote on Dec 15, 2009
No. I think you're way oversensitive. You're comparing a story about a kid finding acceptance from his father, which is hard enough for ***sexual children to do, and finding it in the NHL community. You cannot compare it to a hypothetical situation of your favorite comedy show discussing child porn. You're making massive jumps in comparison. MASSIVE. You can see why people like me would think you're a gay basher: You're comparing this story to child porn, sex toys, and sexual positions. Again, huge reach in logic. Sports stations do stories like this all the time. ESPN frequently airs special interest stories about people overcoming odds to succeed in sports; this is the same type of story. Constant highlights with no stories would be boring. If you don't want non-sports-related stories, perhaps you should campaign also against all the Tiger Woods stories. After all, it's not sports! I don't want to hear about all this heterosexual sex. It's not sports.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 15, 2009
I certainly can say I dont want to see this on sports outlets because I want to watch SPORTS, not gay rights. And in Canada, there were no such "coloured only" signs anywhere, there werent even enough blacks (colored, negroes, or whatever else they were called then) in the country for them. So dont tell me that I am a gay basher because I dont like seeing it on my sports channels, because Im not. It isnt fear like you assume and must have yourself, its what I like and want. I would be just as displeased if I turned on the Rick Mercer Report(its a comedy show if you dont know and my fav in Canada)and found it discussing child porn. I wanted to watch comedy, not child porn. And when I want to watch sports, I want sports, not some gay outing him\herself. As I said previously, I also dont believe that if this same show talked how sex toys or certain positions of the Kama Sutra can improve sports performance that it makes me anti-sex to not want to watch it. U gays are way oversensitive.Matt wrote on Dec 15, 2009
What are you afraid of? Honestly? And you can't gay-bash, make fun of pride parades, then erase it all by saying "not gay-bashing here." It doesn't work that way. Seriously. Everything in its place? Exactly what forum should this story be told in? Do you realize how bigoted that sounds? "You can have your equality, just don't talk about it!" Look, any time that a subordinate group that is the target of stigmas and oppression finds a safe place in a venue where they haven't been accepted in the past, that is news. It was news when we allowed women to vote here in America. It was news when "colored only" signs were taken down. And this is news. And don't accuse Buccigross of fluff journalism. He's a respected anchor at ESPN, and a true hockey guy at that. So you're off base there. So I don't know what you're scared of, but get over it. If you don't like the story, turn it off, like you did, and stop there. Because when you *** about it, you sound stupid.SnidelyWhiplash wrote on Dec 12, 2009
You think Burke and the Leafs are so progressive? LoL plz - when he outs the gays on the roster and has THEM march in the parade, that will be progress (Tomas Kaberle for head majorette spinning a 4 ft ***). This was a sideline story that didnt need to be told and still doesnt, much like who is and who isnt in the closet in that dressing room. Its a story I turned off because it was tripe and trivial sports journalism - I know there are gay players and executives in the NHL and I dont care. What are we going to be reading\watching next? Which sexual positions are good for certain sports and which arent? What sexual toys aid in aspects of sports performance? Amii, it belongs on the gay network as far as my tastes are concerned, as does your article. Brendan Burke wanted to out himself - so ok, he's out. Yawwwn Im a sports fan, and that is why I watch sports stations, not for this BS. Not gay-bashing here - just everything in its place plz.Rae wrote on Nov 30, 2009
Great article, and some really important points!Matt wrote on Nov 30, 2009
Very good take, Ami. And cheers to the Burkes, as well as John Buccigross for writing such a terrific story. He's my favorite anchor on ESPN, because he's always talking about hockey and making hockey references throughout sportscenter. But anyway, Tony, *** off and take your bigotry elsewhere.Jessica wrote on Nov 29, 2009
Oh very good, Tony. Way to make yourself look mature. Attitudes like yours are the reason the sports world has the reputation it does. Hint: This is not a good thing. Ami has more courage in her little finger for posting this than you will ever have, Tony. But perhaps you realise this and that's why your comment was so vicious. Poor Tony, it must suck to be so insecure about your manhood. Good on you Ami, and good on the Burkes. Maybe between you the sports world can be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century where people don't have to worry about being thought of as less than human because of whom they love.Lauren DM wrote on Nov 29, 2009
Tony, you can *** off and die, it's not a call for pity, and the "sick and disabled" also don't want your ***ing pity, they want your kind to get the *** away. Thanks.tony wrote on Nov 29, 2009
go away, far away, im sick of you ***gots and drag queens acting like drama queens, now you freaks are trying to disturb the sports world with your sob stories and fake drama, stop asking for people to feel sorry for you, the only people that deserve pity are the poor and sick not a bunch ***s.